New Character: Squirtle

[Shrikeswind]

Name: Squirtle
Game: Pokemon Blue
Year: 1998

Stats

Speed: 6/10
Power: 4/10
Jump: 7/10
Fall: 5/10
Size: 5/10
Weight: 4/10
Traction: 7/10

Up-B: Rapid Spin
B: Water Gun
Side-B: Skull Bash
Down-B: Switch
Final: Hydro Pump

"Rapid Spin" is a clone of Bowser's Fortress move.

"Water Gun" has Squirtle unleash a long stream of water from his mouth, blasting the enemy like a fire-hose.

"Skull Bash" has Squirtle lean back, charging it up. When you let go, Squirtle launches himself forward in a flying head-butt.

"Switch" has Squirtle return, replaced by Ivysaur.

"Hydro Pump" has Squirtle jump up and spin like a wheel mid-air, launching water out of every hole in his carapace at anyone in the way.



Taunt: Squirtle folds his arms, looks at the camera, and says "Squirtle."

[Johans Nidorino]

That Skull Bash thing looks more like Rapid Spin (in animé, Squirtle's Skull Bash is depicted much like Pikachu's and Pichu's from SSBM). I like that Withdraw despite having a different interpretation from the original games. Water Gun is a must-have, and Hydro Pump might work (not sure if you based yourself on that episode from the animé where Ash's Squirtle beat a Starmie in the Orange Islands). For other moves, consider Aqua Tail and Water Pulse, now learnable by Squirtle by leveling up. It goes without saying that Hydro Pump would look good as Extreme, too.

This Pokémon would be fun to use. But, like with any starters besides Pikachu, I fail to see it as playable in SSBB as there's no relevance in it besides any real-world poll (somebody has to be the winner in a poll) or the fact that Ash had a Squirtle in his team, so my jury rating is disapproval.

[Kriven]

The only attack I like on there is Withdraw >_>'

Though now I'm thinking of submitting Squirtle Turtle.

[IVIr.G]

I'll reply when Extreme's up.

[Shrikeswind]

nidorino said:

That Skull Bash thing looks more like Rapid Spin (in animé, Squirtle's Skull Bash is depicted much like Pikachu's and Pichu's from SSBM). I like that Withdraw despite having a different interpretation from the original games. Water Gun is a must-have, and Hydro Pump might work (not sure if you based yourself on that episode from the animé where Ash's Squirtle beat a Starmie in the Orange Islands). For other moves, consider Aqua Tail and Water Pulse, now learnable by Squirtle by leveling up. It goes without saying that Hydro Pump would look good as Extreme, too.

This Pokémon would be fun to use. But, like with any starters besides Pikachu, I fail to see it as playable in SSBB as there's no relevance in it besides any real-world poll (somebody has to be the winner in a poll) or the fact that Ash had a Squirtle in his team, so my jury rating is disapproval.

Okay, I'll change the name of "Skull Bash."

Hydro Pump was based on just that. I remember watching that episode, Squirtle used it to recover from a fall and attack the Starmie at the exact same time.

Any clue on what Aqua Tail acts like?

[Johans Nidorino]

No clue about Aqua Tail, actually. It's a contact move, of course. 90 Power, 90 Accuracy, no added effect.

[Ansur]

Good one. Maybe his extreme could be a move from the 4th generation?

[Kriven]

Extreme = Surf

[HiddenTiger]

HT no likey this guy. I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that I know squat about Pokemon, but I do know that this guy isn't that important apart from being one of the ones you start with, and really, at this point, there are enough of those that it doesn't really matter that much any more. Sorry, but I'm gonna have to say no.

[Shrikeswind]

hiddentiger said:

HT no likey this guy. I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that I know squat about Pokemon, but I do know that this guy isn't that important apart from being one of the ones you start with, and really, at this point, there are enough of those that it doesn't really matter that much any more. Sorry, but I'm gonna have to say no.

He may be a starter, but he's also a very famous Pokemon, ranking up there with Pikachu and Meowth. You can't leave him out of the running just because he's a starter.

[Johans Nidorino]

admin said:

You can't leave him out of the running just because he's a starter.

You can if you're thinking in a realistic list of 5 to 6 Pokémon for a game about Nintendo's history overall. Picking starters in so (predictably) few slots is the same as favoring just one group of people, as starters are always forced to be "your favorites" in the games. If there are slots for about 50 Pokémon (at least in SBL), then I'd share your idea; still, you'd have to deal with having to pick a specific evolutionary level for all of them.

Pikachu/Meowth/Plusle & Minun/Munchlax/Lucario/Deoxys/Mewtwo, and others I know you like (like Togepi) wouldn't span a division between gamers. The starters would.

If that "fairness" is not the vision of Sakurai's team, then it at least seems so jugding by the past two SSB games (I'm all for it, as a Nintendo historian).

[Shrikeswind]

nidorino said:

admin said:

You can't leave him out of the running just because he's a starter.

You can if you're thinking in a realistic list of 5 to 6 Pokémon for a game about Nintendo's history overall. Picking starters in so (predictably) few slots is the same as favoring just one group of people, as starters are always forced to be "your favorites" in the games. If there are slots for about 50 Pokémon (at least in SBL), then I'd share your idea; still, you'd have to deal with having to pick a specific evolutionary level for all of them.

Pikachu/Meowth/Plusle & Minun/Munchlax/Lucario/Deoxys/Mewtwo, and others I know you like (like Togepi) wouldn't span a division between gamers. The starters would.

If that "fairness" is not the vision of Sakurai's team, then it at least seems so jugding by the past two SSB games (I'm all for it, as a Nintendo historian).

I understand that, but I would like to remind you that Squirtle has the fame that several other starters don't. Squirtle's fame led him to being the lead character in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon and as a major Pokemon in the main series. In all fairness, that should give him some significance.

[Johans Nidorino]

I'm sure the Kanto ones have more fame; it's just natural that 1st Generation Pokémon are more famous because more generations of gamers have known them (and they keep being fresh because they are available in every generation of games, especially in the 3rd one where Red/Blue versions were remade in the form of FireRed/LeafGreen versions).

As for Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, Squirtle isn't different from Totodile or Mudkip if you're judging by the Pokémon that symbolized the Blue version of the game. Same as Charmander/Cyndaquil/Torchic. All of them can be protagonists of the main plot of the game, as well as the Grass ones, Pikachu, Machop, and others (you can eventually use most of the 386 Pokémon in any version).

[Shrikeswind]

nidorino said:

I'm sure the Kanto ones have more fame; it's just natural that 1st Generation Pokémon are more famous because more generations of gamers have known them (and they keep being fresh because they are available in every generation of games, especially in the 3rd one where Red/Blue versions were remade in the form of FireRed/LeafGreen versions).

As for Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, Squirtle isn't different from Totodile or Mudkip if you're judging by the Pokémon that symbolized the Blue version of the game. Same as Charmander/Cyndaquil/Torchic. All of them can be protagonists of the main plot of the game, as well as the Grass ones, Pikachu, Machop, and others (you can eventually use most of the 386 Pokémon in any version).

Of course, but in the anime version of Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, Squirtle was the lead character, not Totodile or Mudkip.

[Johans Nidorino]

That was a lone squad in a lone special episode... A good choice, as Squirtle have been depicted as firemen in the show. Still not that relevant over its comrades, being just a spin-off of a spin-off. If only it was a recurrent sub-series (like the one set by the mini-movies and episodes in which Meowth or Pichu Bros. were the protagonists of the adventures with the Big City Pokémon), one could rely on that reason for including Squirtle in a SSB game. Granted, the "To be continued..." thing would help you, but that thing didn't turn be continued up to now.

Upload him if you want, but that might only show too much spin-off dependence (judging by available evidence).